Reporting entries as unrelated to theme on Community Jam
On the recent community jam, half the entries I was shown were completely unrelated to the theme. I think there should be a way to vote it as “unrelated to theme” so if it gets voted this way many times then it isn’t shown. I started voting the Jams based on related or not related because to me a bad creation related to the theme is better than a great creation that’s completely unrelated.
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I was literally about to report this very thing and I'm glad someone has done so already. It's insane how many random things are being posted and wasting the time of those willing to play through the jams and vote.
I recommend a suspension for the next two jams every time this happens. Repeated offensives should result in bans.
For now, I've just been downvoting anyone's content that's unrelated.
I agree with this, but in order to prevent abuse I feel like it should simply flag the Dream for a moderator to make a judgement call. If the Dream is clearly off theme or just a random junk/spam submission, then it should be removed. Those kinds of dreams waste everybody's time and make the Community Jams a lot less fun to play and vote on. However if the Dream at least made an attempt to be on theme, then it should be allowed to remain.
The result of the chaotic number of off theme creations and troll ones is that they artificially grow the overall number of contestants so many great on theme creations are never get to be visited.This should be addressed.
Maybe with the existance of an "off theme" button next to the vote.If enough number of these reports are made,the creation should be unclassified for the Jam.Since players decide the winners.It should be up to them once again to unclassify a false contestant collectively.
Of course this off theme vote should only apply to off theme creations.Not "low quality" ones.The latter,have every right to participate and be judged like any other creation!
Ps.Garden Jam is a living proof of that chaos.Ive tried to vote three consecutive nights (over 80 creations) and I was only finding about 40 % legit creations.Everything else was troll nothing to do with garden,random stuff!
You could make it so if 90 out of 100 people think it's off-theme, do something then. Maybe make it seen less and less, or just have a moderator check it or something.
The reason off-theme is a different problem is that it's just a big waste of time for the players judging. I used to judge all the time but don't now becasue over 50% are not on-theme so it's mainly skipping through most of them instead of enjoying new things people have made--which is the point of the jam in the first place.
Lizard Leliel commented
I feel like one problem is that some creators would think their is on-theme, and a lot of people (45%?) who did play the creation did think it was on-theme. I think a better system is to not just ask to base your upvote on if you enjoyed the creation, but also if you think the creation is on theme.
You're allowed to submit bad creations. What's wrong with being off-theme just be considered "low quality" as well, especially since making something that's fitting to theme is part of the challenge?
Enoch reckons the Love jam was 38% on-theme. https://twitter.com/EnochRootDreams/status/1237875782409572352?s=20
Obviously there's an issue. I think it's largely down to the imp quests encouraging people to enter the jam which has no way of telling if it's relevant or even just a non-creation like a cube smear; they still complete the step for the quest. https://feedback.indreams.me/forums/917383-dreams-feedback/suggestions/39834988-trophies-and-imp-quests-encourage-behaviour-that-i
Whatever the solution is, Mm can figure out. I think this post raises a valid issue and that's the important thing.
The thing that would be open to abuse is allowing an algorithm alone to determine whether Community Jam judges get to see an entry based on how many times it got flagged as off-topic.
This kind of thing needs to be a "flag for moderator attention" - the only involvement of an algorithm would be to move an entry closer to the head of a moderator attention queue the more times it gets flagged. And if that still gets abused, give players a hidden "social credit" score that goes up when they flag things correctly, and goes down when they flag things incorrectly, with flags from players with a higher score moving an entry further up the queue than flags from players with a lower score.
The perception is not the reality. In the Food gamejam only 10% were off theme. Medieval Fantasy gamejam was 13%. You can check out the analysis here
I just started to browse & vote Community Jam entries, oh my... most are totally unrelated, why people even post them? Takes away my interest to browse or vote :(
This has been true for a year. I'm amazed you think its only half. We cannot have what you propose because it is open to abuse, and a creator could be targeted for removal in every jam by an organised group of people.
Just dont vote on the unrelated entries. If you look at the past placings, that is what most people do.