CoMmunity jam issues & suggested fixes
I reported potential issues with the CoMmunity jam way back in the early days of the beta and these issues have become worse spoiling this aspect of the dreams experience. Many no longer engage in entering, playing or voting in the Jams due to the presence of so much spam.
I played through over 500 entries in the recent Love jam of which only 27% were actually on theme, I include simple heart sculpts as these entrants had respected the process.
Many of the spam entries were people chasing the You're a contender imp quest, some doubling down by throwing in creations related to Ancient times/dreamsverse dash quests.
Other spam entries were folks just determined to seek attention or advertise personal projects not related to the theme.
here are some suggested actions which would have a positive impact if implemented:
- drop the You're a Contender imp quest which was highlighted as a concern during the beta
Replace it with an imp reward for finishing in the top 60/50/40/33/25/20/15/10 % instead encouraging improvement rather than entering any rubbish
make jam entries exempt from other imp quest advancements, so if someones chasing the Ancient times quests etc they won't spoil the jam by going for a double whammy
add a confirmation message folks have to tick acceptance of the rules & theme for each jam
allow a flagging system so folks highlight persistent offenders
Action needs to be taken before these negative behaviours become too far embedded spoiling the dreams experience on a permanent basis.
Thank you for your time and consideration
Agreed, it's really annoying. I recently played, or rather was 'forced' to play by the crazy system of 5 levels at a time before I could play any more, 55 levels in the 'Arcade' jam. 50 of those had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anything remotely 'Arcade' related so I have now given up playing any more.
It's a terrible system because it's a real shame for players who have made a real effort to make something good, appropriate and adhering to the rules who then may get no plays or recognition at all. It's annoying for us as players too when we can't find the decent levels in the first place.
Mm should have someone just take a quick look at every entry and delete any that don't fit the brief. It wouldn't be difficult for them because most of those I played were obvious tripe in the first few seconds.
I've reached the point where I gave up on voting on the recent community Jam, because man it's full of anything but theme related content. Really frustrating. There should be real moderators to keep the entries clean of trash. I'll deffintely be up for that in case Mm need some.
Hello I would like to add my two cents. I was dismayed to find that third place of the monster jam was given to someone who seemingly did barely any work. The original Witch House is by another player. All the winner did was spiff up a few visuals and add my public horror voice clips. I made those clips for dreamers to enhance their scary creations, not to win a badge with someone else's creation! There were many better original submissions in the top ten that could have taken third place. I recommend we prohibit remixes from being awarded badges in the future, or give the badge to the original creation being remixed too.
- Imp quest needs to go in my opinion. It's encouraging spammy behavior
- I agree that some flagging system seems like a necessity
There needs to be a way to weed out off-theme and super low effort cruft. I know the goal is to encourage everyone to participate. But, no one want so play through the unedited character sitting on a cube that is mildly on theme. The fact that it makes up such a large percentage of entries you have to sift through is actually discouraging people from participating and voting.
The other thing that I really dislike is that some people are getting top placements by remixing a scene or element with minimal changes made. Again, I know the idea is to encourage remixing and collaboration. But rewarding that type of behavior doesn't feel good to any creators of the original work.
I personally would prefer if you could only use self made or Mm official assets in the jam but I'm guessing that's too extreme a solution.
How about an 'Unrelated to Jam' button? Which would have to be pressed by a set number of players before it is taken out of the jam - possibly taking into acount a lack of upvotes too?
Unfortunately, I suppose it could be abused in some cases, and might come across as unfriendly to have a button like this included. It might also be an issue for dreams that are subtlely related or that have meanings that arent immediately obvious, such as a play on words, although I expect taking into account a lack of upvotes would help to alleviate this somewhat
There is an inherent dissonance between Dreams' goal of encouraging pure creativity and rewarding people for doing specific things. So it was inevitable that the *You're a Contender* imp quest was always going to be a little awkward.
If only 27% of entries are even on theme, it seems that even the idea of requiring a entry finish in the top 50% might be simultaneously over-generous AND exclusive (in the sense of not being open to those of lowest inherent skill).
Rather than punish players for submitting entries, I'd prefer to see a system that instead *doesn't* punish the voters so much. If trusted voters (if not everyone) had the ability to flag an entry as being 'not-relevant' then such entries could be made to appear much less frequently in other voters' lists and, with enough concurrence of the 'not-relevant' flag, perhaps disappear altogether. It may not be desirable to give the option to everyone because it's open to abuse in its own way.
[See also inky_bus's comment idea of being able to skip entries for later.]
Another tactic is simply to offer greater reward to those who do stick to the theme. One way might be to highlight and praise some random 'good efforts' even if they don't make the top 10% - I think there is already an element of this in the Media Molecule livestreams if not in Dreams directly.
Hi, these are great suggestions which could hopefully help to filter out the spam creations as of late. I haven't yet entered a jam but I do enjoy playing the entries and as EnochRoot has said, it is very off putting spending the time going through so many listings where people haven't even attempted anything remotely to do with the jam.
I was also thinking of ideas myself today and wondered if there could be an option to skip any of the 5 shown before playing? (Most of the offending entries are easy to spot from the cover page) - This way they could be moved to the end of the list and reviewed after playing through the rest, in a way that's similar to the 'Play later' queue.