Feedback reduced recording time
you asked for feedback on the upcoming reduced audio recording time. We use the record function for:
- VO. We have quite a lot of voice acting in our games. Cutting everything into 15 second pieces seems very unrealistic. Also some people record on extern audio devices and we import these long files into Dreams. This workflow will be impossible with the upcoming change.
- Recordings of original music: we use our own original soundtracks for our games; sometimes they are completely made in Dreams, but sometimes they are recordings of someone playing guitar (for example) This will be impossible too :/
I hope some better solution will come up in the future.
Sebastian Team PD
Just dropping in to +1 everything that's already been said here. 15 seconds puts the breaks on passionate monologues in projects with VO, kills importing own music (my GarageBand collection!), and restricting the input only forces us legit people to buy another bloody stupid cable to import quality audio to our projects. The real donkeyholes probably already have those lying around on their junk pile anyways, so you're punishing the wrong people.
Welcome to the dreamiverse :D
The mic on remote play has been disabled--for the same reasons. That restriction was added before the 15 seconds limit.
But you can wire directly into Dreams in different ways and record like that as if it were a mic feed. For example, wire a 4-pole aux cable from a phone (or other headset-compatible port) into the DS4 headset input. Now when you play an audio source on the phone it'll be picked up by the PS4 as if it was a headset mic, which means you can record it in as normal.
So you could record however you like, through your PC or whatever. Then play it into Dreams later to transfer it.
Or you can use a USB mic direct into the PS4 to record live but through a better mic.
Or some USB Audio Interfaces work with the PS4. Like this Behringer: https://www.behringer.com/Categories/Behringer/Computer-Audio/Interfaces/UMC22/p/P0AUX#googtrans(en|en) ...which has different jack inputs. Again, can be used to transfer pre-recorded audio, or you can record live into the PS4 through that.
Hope this helps.
I've only had Dreams for a week and already it's been one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I've ever had. I've been going through the tutorials and learning the ropes, sketching out concept art and ideas in my free time, I love it. As an aspiring voice actor I planned on using my own voice and recording studio in my creations, but finding out about these limitations is so depressing.
Since I can't get a clear answer anywhere, does anyone know if you are still able to record directly into Dreams using remote play with a mic on a PC? I know there's still the 15 second limit which, although a nightmare, is still something to work with. I just want to be able to record quality voice audio in my soundproofed closet instead of using a crappy headset mic.
Some / Lots of pre licensed music might help the situation, Sony are one of the largest music publishers after all, with a large back catalogue.
It would not stop mario or other game music being uploaded, so copyright detection would still be required but it could bring other opportunity.
Remixes for example, licensed music provided as a full track & / or multi track, so separate drum, vocal etc. This could be published (by Sony) as a revenue stream for the original music creators & publisher as well as the remixer & Sony.
It's ironic, but i think Sony owned Gracenote that identified music, sold it off years ago.
So here’s my solution to this problem..
I’m no snitch or anything. I only snitch if the issue I see is illegal and it effects me directly. In this situation, they do. So imma snitch on people.
That was the prequel to say.. maybe Mm should ask the community to all become snitches and report copyright infringement. And add a feature to actually allow copyright material on Dreams (like YouTube does) with the permission of the owner.
I think the reporting tactic will work. Because you are taking away something from everything (a powerful tool) just to prevent a small population of users. I think this community cares enough about this game to report it when they see it. Because we know it is going to endanger Mm and we are all about creating original content. Anyone else’s thoughts on solely a reporting feature? And if there is availability in staff, then they can have someone moderate the content reported (like YouTube).
My guess is that they edited the shots together and added the audio out of Dreams. If you go play it in Dreams, you're locked in. Which I think means it's a video and not running in Dreams live.
I haven't seen many 15 second clips of copyrighted audio, myself. But I haven't really been looking ;P
TAPgiles, I’ve been wondering the same thing.
Maybe they chopped up the audio.
If they didn’t, it’s kind of a slap in the face that they were able to make this epic music video while limiting public creations for everyone else.
I just don’t get their stance anymore because Dreams is flooded with copyright material, the 15 second thing isn’t stopping anyone, it’s mainly frustrating quality creators who are being punished/getting their wings clipped, because there are people abusing the system.
Point is, people are going to use copyright stuff either way, so why are punishing original creators?
Don't want to stir stuff up but... an awesome music video was just released that was made in Dreams. I wonder if they imported the song into Dreams in 15 second increments? 🤔
They don't "want" to limit the PS4 version. Back in beta and throughout early access, lots of people ripped copyrighted audio (mainly music) and brought it into Dreams. Which is illegal. And if that was distributed via Dreams, Mm/Sony would be on the hook too.
This is a measure specifically designed to make that way harder to do. They're not just "Ha! Let's just screw with them!"
That sucks that they want to limit the ps4 version so bad, the pc version is going to be able to do so much more
I'm one of those creators for whom this limitation is devastating. Nearly all of my creation plans involve narratives with voice and original homemade music and audio.
I've been testing stringing together a bunch of 15-second clips to see if my scripts would be feasible this way, and it just doesn't work. I have to shelve all of this until this limitation is lifted.
Considering it was all possible earlier, this is a really punishing change.
The point is that people that are going to rip music are going to do it anyway. Forcing people to use aux/USB just limits people, and again people that rip music will use the same method.
It would be easier for MM to implement a Copyright detection API.
There are a lot out there, and I'm sure Mm/Sony wouldn't have issues with being able to use them.
There is no reason to understand why, the reasons are flawed, and people will keep pirating anyway. Preventing the use of the tool as intended just makes things worse for everyone else which is the majority of the audience.
I hate that every time someone brings up the point that this is wrong, someone has to say "No this is okay, this is fine" it's not. This change is ridiculous, and there are many other ways of fixing this, like verification, copyright detection, etc. 15 seconds is ridiculously short and harmful to many creators.
The main problem was people importing a lot of full music tracks into Dreams, which is now very difficult thanks to the change.
One way of not worrying about the limit while recording and acting is to not record and act directly into Dreams, but record it separately. Then chop it into 15 seconds and record it in using a USB audio interface or a 4-pole aux cable. So these things are still doable, but not so easy.
I'm not saying I'm all for the change; I'd much prefer it to be a lot longer, for similar reasons to yourself. But I understand why it is the way it is, while hoping it may change some day.
I am someone with over 6+ years of writing experience. Someone who plans on making lengthy narritive content in dreams for the foreseeable future. As a writer i can tell you first hand how limiting this is, and it isnt just limiting, it hurts the overal quality of the work aswell.
15 seconds is not enough if you wanna tell an engaging story, imagine your getting into the character and your about to give a passionate speach, you start that speech your into it and oh wait, 15 seconds so now you gotta account for that now. and try and start again with the same energy you just had, the flow just wont be natural and it will be easy to notice.
Believe me i get it, you guys are worried about people using copywritten stuff, but lets be real, are you really stopping anyone? your not, people still flood dreams with wario hi mark and all the other stuff, your arent even slowing it down. All your doing is making it harder on those of us who are making original content and want to make that content great.
We need more time, dont just focus on the people abusing these features, think about us, the people who use it for the right reasons, we need more time, 15 seconds is not enough, even 20 seconds would be better, 30 would be amazing.
At the very least, let us know your working on a solution, please, communicate to us. Let us know your listening.
I know this is just a comment in a sea of comments but I'm actually so gutted about finding this out after purchasing Dreams. I was so excited to get started with the game, I was even making mind-maps and content on my computer to reference when I finally started making the game I wanted to make. I'm a musician first and wanted to make a music-discovery-platform game (music i have permissions to use ofc) but now it seems like this can't happen.
To solve this, could there just be a box that users have to click when uploading audio that says 'I have permission to upload this' with some terms attached and if someone uploads something they don't have the copyright for, then it puts them as a user liable instead of Dreams, similar to what Soundcloud do upon upload. I mean I'm spitballing the legalities here but I don't see anything being done about the Sonic the Hedgehog and Crash Bandicoot models I've seen which have got to be infringing on some intellectual properties.
Even if the limit was a minute rather than 15 seconds, that would really help. Can't imagine how difficult this is for people who do V/O work. Has anyone found out any updates on this?
You can still get audio in, using a mic, or a 4-pole aux cable.
I would like to see recording audio be added back in, this is frustrating as I can’t create my own sounds! Please add a report copyrighted material option and also allow PS Vita owners to use the microphone on their system when using remote play!
My gamer tag is ××Rehab_Rejectxx. I'm a singer and VA in Dreams, and this limit has virtually destroyed any chance of continuing any further projects. I've starred in many huge movies (over an hour) on LBP that were MM Picked and have continued to do that same VA work in dreams. Just recently I and my adorable 6 year old daughter were a part of a "We are the World" cover that was comprised of many Dreams singers from all over the world! I planned to perform more songs with my little girl on Dreams and teach her about being a VA. With this limitation that is no longer possible. Please, please, please change this limitation. I bought Dreams to do voice acting as a Day One Beta Tester. Please don't betray the thousands of VA's and singers that bought Dreams to further their craft and share their amazing talents with the rest of the world.
These are some of the HUGE projects I've been a part of over my time in Dreams and LBP. If this limit stays then these types of masterpieces will never be made again.
(We are the World cover)
(Jerry and Jenny movie in Dreams, over 30 min)
(Ninja Cat 2 on LBP2, almost 2 hours!)
(The Last Adventure on LBP, almost an hour)
(Dead Waters on LBP, a horror movie)
If this limit isn't changed, then you'll hurt a huge part of Dream's community. Please change this limitation. 15 seconds is absolutely not enough time to be able to perform our craft.
They aren't importing a lot of audio. Making instruments doesn't take a lot of audio, for example.
The theory is this is a temp solution to the copyrighted audio issue, so hopefully it'll change in the future.
You know, I haven't even started doing anything audio myself yet and was really looking forward to getting it set up and started. I sing, act, play guitar, and even with all that I would still wait a bit longer to get to some kind of "access level" like some have already suggested. I wouldn't even care if the privlage had to be earned like all first recordings must be submitted for approval and any copywritten material submitted will result in a strike and up to a ban of the person submitting it. I love listening to these original creations of music and voice acting. So many amazingly talented people out there. And if the reason it was shortened was just because of copywrite it's not going to stop that. People dont care if their copywritten song is all choppy and spliced together. Only people who actually want good quality work care. It's sad to see the wonderful makers of this game have to go about such length because of this:( I love Dreams and MM and all the passionate creators out there. I hope there's a better solution<3